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		<title>The GCR, Our Past and Our Future</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Elam</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[David Dockery]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently Doug Baker, Executive Editor of the Baptist Messenger of Oklahoma interviewed Dr. David Dockery, President of Union University and member of the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force for both a print and pod cast publication.  As I have come to expect, both of these brothers handled themselves exceptionally well.  Doug asked intelligent and pertinent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently <a href="http://baptistmessenger.com/about/">Doug Baker, Executive Editor</a> of the <a href="http://baptistmessenger.com/">Baptist Messenger of Oklahoma </a>interviewed <a href="http://www.uu.edu/dockery/">Dr. David Dockery</a>, <a href="http://www.uu.edu/">President of Union University</a> and member of the <a href="http://www.pray4gcr.com/task-force/">Great Commission Resurgence Task Force</a> for both a print and pod cast publication.  As I have come to expect, both of these brothers handled themselves exceptionally well.  Doug asked intelligent and pertinent questions.  Dr. Dockery answered them in a humble and statesman-like manner.  The<a href="http://baptistmessenger.com/great-commission-task-force-podcast-with-david-s-dockery-part-ii/"> transcript</a> and pod cast are available at the Messenger website; you should give it your time.</p>
<p>During the interview Baker pursued a line of questioning that brought forth Dr. Dockery’s great knowledge of Baptist history.  Not only was Baptist history examined in an interesting way, relevant commentary was given in light of who we have been as Southern Baptists.  Highlighted in the exchange were stories of the early days of our convention, the purpose for which we joined ourselves together on a large scale and the missions heart of our forefathers.  The interview continued to track the development of our national polity and the ways we sought to work together, ultimately culminating in the development of the Cooperative Program.</p>
<p>Baker moved the discussion along to the present day and queried Dockery about the current state of the convention in light of the Great Commission Resurgence and the ensuing Task Force that he serves.  Dockery discusses much of the context of the Task Force indirectly as he works through the thorny issues of state convention CP distribution.  Dockery fairly describes the rationale for the various distribution levels that currently exist today by relating the levels to the early days of the CP discussion and the needs that existed and continue to exist for state conventions in the SBC.</p>
<p>As I have already commended this interview to you I want to do so again; it is good and I think it will help the vast majority of Southern Baptists understand their history more clearly.</p>
<p>Part of my job as a DOM is to work with pastors on an almost daily basis.  There is more to my ministry than that, but I would rank my relationship with the pastors of <a href="http://www.northwesternbaptist.com">NWBA</a> and outside the association at the top of my ministry priority list.  I visit regularly with pastors both inside my association and across our state, and often the topic of conversation, at least since the convention in Louisville, has been the GCR and the Task Force convened by President Johnny Hunt.  In all the conversations with pastors that I have had I cannot think of one time, truly, not one time when a pastor asked directly or indirectly one of the two following questions:  “Are we doing what we organized ourselves to do in 1845?” or “Are we cooperating together today according to the vision of the CP as created in 1925?”</p>
<p>Now please do not misunderstand, I do not believe that either of these matters are small or unimportant.  I stressed above the importance of Dr. Dockery’s historical assessment of the SBC.  What I am pointing out is the very current reality that who we were in 1845 or even 1925 is not a pressing concern for most pastors or their churches.  It has been said that the past is prologue and with this I would agree.  We have also heard that the person who does not know his history is destined to make the same mistakes.  Agreed.  One strategy for determining how we make decisions today about our future heavily emphasizes who were have been and the direction that leaders in our past have charted as a kind of organizational compass to guide our future.  This is not a bad strategy, but in my estimation it is out of step with the pastors that I talk to on a regular basis.</p>
<p>These pastors seem more concerned with determining our future based on two primary principles, Scripture and cooperation,  that I will illustrate through two questions. 1) What does Scripture call the church to be and do in the name of Christ, His gospel and the Kingdom? and 2) What sort of cooperation will help us move toward the future work that we desire to accomplish in Christ’s name and for His glory.  Please note that this second mode of determining how we move forward as a convention of churches is not truly in contradiction to the former.  This mode simply looks to an alternative starting point for the discussion and moves out from there.  One assumes the broad history of the SBC as a people, movement, convention, and denominational powerhouse and the other looks more simply to Scripture, theology, ecclesiology, culture and the reality on the ground in their churches and their personal networks of affinity.</p>
<p>My purpose is primarily to understand where different voices in our convention are starting as they look to the future and our shared life together in cooperation.  One group looks back for a kind of conformity and integrity to who we have been and the best parts of our history.  Another looks more narrowly at the present culture, Scripture and their experiences in Evangelicalism and seeks a way forward that is nimble and quick to respond to a rapidly changing world.  I would advocate a merging of these two perspectives.  We ought to start with our present situation, our best understanding of Scripture and the movement of the Spirit in our midst and begin to explore how we would live out faith and serve Christ effectively in the coming years.  With this as our primary line of reasoning we should regularly look to our past to learn our best lessons and glean the truth that the Lord has revealed to His people over the years.</p>
<p>In summary I want to hear from our past, but I believe that is the wrong place to start.  Most leaders I talk to are not asking where have we been.  They are asking where should we go.  They are not asking “Is my church doing what the churches who began the CP in the early parts of the 20<sup>th</sup> century were doing?”  Rather, they are looking high and low for ways to be effective today in a world that will not wait for them to catch up and is not asking their permission to change.  They are seeking ways to embody the eternal, unchanging truths of Christ and His Word in a world that has largely ignored our best efforts to share Christ.</p>
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		<title>Relating To Alan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Elam</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Missiology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Southern Baptist Convention]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Alan Cross]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Church at Brook Hills]]></category>
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My friend and fellow missioscaper Alan Cross wrote up a piece the other day that I wanted to interact with.  I have great respect for Alan, though I have only met him personally two times, one of which I think he cannot remember.  I have read Alan&#8217;s blog for a good bit now and was [...]]]></description>
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<p>My friend and fellow missioscaper Alan Cross wrote up a piece the other day that I wanted to interact with.  I have great respect for Alan, though I have only met him personally two times, one of which I think he cannot remember.  I have read Alan&#8217;s blog for a good bit now and was able to attend a series of meetings with him last year where he presented a talk on decentralized efforts in ministry.  The thing that encourages me so much about Alan is the fact that he is not one who commends ideas to others that he himself does not follow with great passion.  In my conversation with Alan I was inspired by the work that the church he pastors engages in on the sub-continent of India.  Get in touch with Alan&#8217;s <a id="e4y2" title="blog" href="http://www.downshoredrift.com/">blog</a> and read away about their mighty deeds for the sake of the gospel of Jesus.</div>
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<p>Alan said something that got me thinking in a <a id="o-nk" title="Alan's recent post" href="../archives/missional-shifts-does-the-cp-have-a-future/">recent post</a> (please read before continuing).</div>
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<p>&#8220;People give to what they can relate to and participate in. They don’t give to institutions anymore. They give to movement and something tangible. They give to something that they can see.&#8221;</p></div>
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<p>I have to ask the question here, in fairness, regarding this statement.  Is this true?  Can we just say that this is the new reality?  Is this true for all churches?  All SBC churches?  All Evangelical churches?  I would have to say that this statement is not true, universally and thereby should not be accepted without qualification.<span id="more-75"></span></div>
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<p>With that said I want to interact with the trajectory of the statement in the context of a great offering taken up for the sake of gospel in the lives of the poor.  Alan is right.  People give to what they believe in.  But Alan is wrong, people still give to institutions.  Alan is right and wrong. And maybe more right than I can know.  The problem is not that we as Southern Baptists don&#8217;t give to institutions, the problem lies in the fact that we give to those things we believe in, trust, have confidence in and support as an extension of our own understanding of calling and vocation before the Lord Jesus.  I don&#8217;t think that this is as simple as people giving only to those things that they can personally have contact with.  Rather I believe that people will support, sacrificially support, only those things that are a part of the ministry that God has called them to in obedience to Jesus.</p></div>
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<p>Recently I read that the Church at Brook Hills is <a id="i7iq" title="immediatley designating over half a million dollars" href="http://www.radicalexperiment.org/">immediatley designating over half a million dollars</a> to Compassion International for relief around the world.  We must ask ourselves a question, &#8220;Why?&#8221;  Why give a gift &#8220;here&#8221; and not &#8220;there&#8221;?  Why designate monies to this relief group and not some other?  Why partner with a parachurch effort and not attempt to do this work directly?  Why give to this effort and not simply contribute to the CP?</div>
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<p>My only answer is this; they as a church choose to give money in this way because they believed in it sufficiently to NOT give to every other thing with those same dollars.  Same thing as what happened at Alan&#8217;s church with their large offering.</p></div>
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<p>So what does that mean for the CP and our cooperative efforts?  Not sure.  I am sure that we will miss the point if the discussion becomes &#8220;CP or Not CP&#8221;, or if we argue &#8220;Societal or Not Societal&#8221; or &#8220;Cooperative or Not Cooperative.  This is not about funding mechanisms.  No. This is about sacrifically giving to those things that we believe in as followers of our Lord Jesus.  We must elevate our discussions to a place where the focus is on the work, not the mechanism to fund the work.</p></div>
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<p>I find that many churches I interact with are not clear as to what their task is in the earth.  They know that God gave Paul the ministry of reconciliation, but they seem unsure whether that extends to them.  Personally accepting responsibility for taking the gospel to the world and participating in the reconciliation of all things in Christ seems a far horizon at best.  This is not to say that they are not concerned with the things of God and his Word, but they are not sure that it is their responsibility to see to it that their neighbor is loved and that all those whom God has deemed our neighbors are recognized as such.</p></div>
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<p>Alan&#8217;s church is taking responsibility for the gospel in their community and in the world through direct missions and through cooperative efforts.  The Church at Brook Hills is doing the same.  Why?  Because they believe in it.  Plain and simple.  We are all doing what we think is best and therein lies our greatest strength and greatest problem.</p></div>
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<p>And while you are reading this I am confident that someone, somewhere sacrificially gave money to their church which gave money to the CP to fund missions/church planting around the world.  And they gave because they believed in it.</p></div>
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